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Orders / Pair 25 of 41

Asking for a ruling, or handing over information

Markets give buyers more than one way to raise a problem, and the ways are not interchangeable. One of them is about your money. The other is about somebody's behaviour.

Both look like telling staff about a problem

You are annoyed, you go looking for a way to say so, and the market offers a form. It asks what happened, it asks for detail, it may ask you to attach what you have. From where you are sitting the two forms are near enough identical in shape.

They are not the same instrument. One of them starts a process that ends with a held balance moving in one direction or the other. The other starts a process that ends with the operator knowing something they did not know before.

A disputeA

A request for a decision about your money

A dispute puts a held balance in front of the market's arbitration and asks for it to be settled. It has a start, a clock, two sides and an outcome. Whatever the outcome is, the balance ends up somewhere as a result of it.

A reportB

Information about somebody's conduct

A report tells the operator that a person did something. It may lead to action against that person at a time the operator chooses. It produces no decision about your order and it does not stop any clock attached to your order.

What each process is for

Arbitration exists to allocate a held balance when two people disagree about whether the order was completed. It is narrow on purpose. It is not interested in whether somebody was rude, and it will not punish anybody on your behalf.

Reporting exists so the operator can police the place. It is broad on purpose. It takes in conduct that arbitration would not touch, and it is the right instrument when your complaint is about a person rather than about a balance. What it does not have is a clock you can rely on, and nothing obliges anybody to tell you what came of it.

The two can run at the same time and about the same order, and neither one waits for the other. If your problem is genuinely both, file both, and expect only the first to answer within a defined period.

It helps to be blunt about what a ruling will not do for you, since most of the disappointment in this area comes from expecting the wrong product:

The record that decides it

Look at the ending, not the form

Ask what the process ends with. If the ending is a balance sitting somewhere, it is a dispute. If the ending is a record of what somebody did, it is a report.

  1. Say what result would actually satisfy you.
  2. If the result involves your funds coming back or going across, only arbitration can deliver it.
  3. If the result is that the operator should know about somebody, no ruling is required and none will arrive.
  4. Check which of the two processes has a stated clock. The one with the clock is the one about money.

The asymmetry here is severe

If you file a report when you needed a dispute
Nothing happens to your balance. The order's own clock carries on running while you wait for an answer that is not coming, and it may run out entirely. This is the expensive direction, and the expense is silent.
If you file a dispute when you needed a report
You get a ruling you did not particularly want on a matter that was really about conduct. It costs you time and a certain amount of standing with the people who handle these. The balance is safe throughout.

The pattern is the same one that runs through a window and an estimate. Where one error only costs effort and the other costs money, take the effort. A dispute filed slightly too readily is an inconvenience. A dispute never filed at all is a loss.

Filing the right one

If it is a dispute
Open it inside whatever period the market defines and set out what was ordered, what was paid and what did not arrive. Keep to the order. Conduct complaints belong in the other channel and tend to dilute the case.
If it is a report
Send it and then carry on managing the order separately. Do not treat the report as having paused anything, and watch the finalise clock exactly as you would have done otherwise.

One more thing worth being clear about. A report you file about somebody else is not evidence in your own case, and a ruling in your own case is not a judgement on anybody's character. Keeping the two apart is most of the skill here. The full set of these pairs sits on the pairs index.

Questions readers send about this pair

Will reporting a seller get my money back?

No. Reporting is information for the operator about conduct. Only arbitration can move a held balance, and only if a dispute has actually been opened within the period the market allows.

Can I report and dispute the same order?

Yes, and they run separately. Assume the report will not affect the ruling and that the ruling will not affect what the operator does about the person.

What if there is only one form on the market?

Then read what it says it does rather than what you want it to do. If it does not describe an outcome for your balance, it is a report, whatever the market has chosen to call it.

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